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I agree with afghangster and honestly, I’ve never had a problem with listening to female scholars on these issues. I mean if you’re knowledgeable, why not?

You’ve never had a problem with listening to female scholars on these issues? If you can name the female scholars who speak of these male issues, cite them either by video or by actual citation, and explain their jurisprudence, then I’d be gladly to entertain your rationale.

Abdullah, you’re deviating from the initial point of the intended post. The point is, Muslim women like myself no longer wish to hear about jurisprudence related to female anatomy by Muslim males (who, quite honestly, have little knowledge on human anatomy to begin with), especially if they ignore the very premise of our issues. 

We need female scholars to speak about female related issues, not Muslim men who feel like they have “knowledge” to drop at Muslim women.

Honestly, my mom and sister go to halaqas locally (I don’t know the name of the female scholar but there’s a couple I think) and they speak to men’s issues as well. Then my mom and sister come home and tell me whatever they learned and I’m completely fine with that.

Honestly, I understand where you’re coming from. I’m completely for more women scholars but don’t you see that you’re going from one extreme to the next? That’s like going from one end of the spectrum to the other. Sure, talking down women is wrong and the approach of many scholars in regards to speaking on women’s issues is wrong but that doesn’t mean male scholars should not speak to women’s issues, period. It means male scholars need to learn the right way to speak about these issues and I’m starting to see some male scholars that have been doing way better than others.

And again, we don’t base opinions on feelings but facts. I’m sorry about how you feel when male scholars speak on women’s issues as I understand they don’t do it justice but that does not mean we completely ban them from speaking about women’s issues based on feelings. We need to reshape their approach based on feelings. This includes them learning about female anatomy and many other topics such as homosexuality and other topics that have been taboo up until now. Of course, without the sufficient knowledge one cannot come to a correct opinion.

no such thing as “the right way to speak about women’s issues” if you are a man, there are none. you are a man, you cannot speak about hijab. you are a man, you cannot speak about abortion as a scholar. you are a man, you can’t speak about menstruation  or why women cannot fast during their period…why can’t they? it’s a necessary biological state, it’s out of their control, why can’t they fast during ramadan during it? the expulsion of unused residue and byproduct from the body…does that sound familiar? yeah, I don’t see why not personally. they don’t even understand the science and biology behind woman’s body, how do they make rulings upon them? if you don’t even understand that, and you can’t experience it because you are not a woman, you can’t speak upon it, period. same goes with hijab; you can’t wear it, don’t speak about it.

You’ve only made statements. I already know your opinion is that men can’t speak about menstruation, and hijab.

Who’s to say women can’t pray during their period? Wait women also pray right? So we can’t speak about praying? Wait women can also gamble, fast, do dhikr…

What if a scholar can’t stand up and pray because of arthritis? Now he can’t speak about prayer while standing? He can’t do it man.

I’m done man, thank you for reading my post and giving it enough time and energy to respond back. I apologize if I’ve been rude but I just don’t think we’re going to get anywhere with this conversation.

we are talking about women specific issues here, not general issues that both men and women do, or experience. now you are just babbling childish rhetoric, rather than actually trying to understand the point.

women’s issues, that are exclusive to them, should be decided upon by them only, unless they ask for an opinion. that is what i’m trying to say.

I’m so happy that my post has caused some of you guys to think and discuss this issue. It’s something that should be thought about and discussed more often. My issue with men speaking on women-specific issues (hijab, everything related to menstruation - including prayer and fasting but this doesn’t mean a male cannot speak on prayer and fasting not related to menstruation, obligations in marriage, sexuality, etc) is that they don’t understand. Let’s consider the purpose of scholars… they are here to clarify and expand on ideas and answer questions that weren’t answered by the Prophet or Qur’an. Often in regards to new technologies or cultural practices, etc.

So why would a man be the one to decide whether tampons are permissible? Does he understand the most cleanly way to deal with menstruation? Does he understand that a woman isn’t aroused by a tampon? No, because he’s a man. Similarly, I would never talk on issues such as whether a man can do… I don’t know, whatever, with his penis. Because I don’t have one. I don’t understand what goes on there. 

So this alone makes the points brought up that the Prophet SAWS spoke on women’s issues moot. This is a different purpose. Men and women should not speak on gender-specific issues they don’t understand. If a male scholar consults with and learns from other female scholars, and repeats exactly what they have learned, that’s fine because it’s coming from a woman. If a woman repeats what a male scholar has said about beards or pants or whatever, that’s fine because it’s coming from a man who understands the issues. 

I hope I’ve clarified any misunderstanding you may have had. 

(Source: ummhuraira)